Tuesday, December 15, 2009

Anybody Go To The Guerilla HOA Prez Meeting This Morning?

If so, I'd like to hear more about it. I've heard from a few people that it was relatively mild and pretty constructive...

Per Will:

"...approx 20 individuals (HOA presidents, HOA representatives, a blogger who shows at most Richardson related meetings) ... came to learn the latest about LOTS.

There was discussion, all of it enlightening, including some back and forth about how best to make the LOTS discussion/negotiation with City Hall a "win-win" for City Hall and the citizens of Richardson.

There continues to be an avalanche of facts, opinions, and options on the LOTS topic. That's understandable because, hey, it's not a simple thing! Moving the transfer station east or north? Screening walls, odor containment, number of trucks that make sense?

Add in "volume" and the average citizen (and likely some on City Council) is close to information overload.

John, George and Maitri tried their best and did a good job bringing the group up to date and keeping the complicated issue discussion pretty well on track.

A mid-January meeting with City Hall (and the District?) is coming up. There might be other contacts with City Hall (letters, face to face discussion, etc.).

Many in Richardson see this as an issue for the neighborhoods that border the LOTS. Not so! It's an entire-City issue. Only one reason (out of many reasons):

If there is negative impact in that area because a poorly-thought-out Transfer Station is put in place, commercial development can take a hit. That can be significant because of the huge amount of to-be-developed land between Renner and The Bush.

Trash trucks make a left turn at Renner and Plano Roads all day long - and if their number increases, and commercial development is impacted, tax dollars "go south"."

30 comments:

  1. I wasn't there, but I think it is interesting that different neighborhoods seem to be working together. The fact that the neighborhoods are coming together and seem to be asking others for help is an inspiring event. I hope to see this continue to happen in the future.

    The fact that these neighborhoods are trying to come together and work together, to me, indicates that there is something not quite right at city hall.

    Good luck to them.

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  2. Spoken adversarily, a couple more than what was needed.

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  3. Yeah, our carpetbagger "friend" Amir Omar was there - pretending to be the neighborhood "champion". This guy just talks out of both sides of his mouth.

    At the meeting, Amir Omar is trashing the city and other council members, then when his gives his full report back to his mentor, Gary Slagel, he is trashing the neighborhoods. How does this guy keep his story straight.

    And, Destiny, you go WAY too easy on him.

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  4. Perhaps, but even David said he was one of the few who questioned the NTMWD:

    http://dc-tm.blogspot.com/2009/12/lookout-transfer-station-ntmwd-seems-to.html

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  5. @anonymous at 12:02 - I hear that Slagel ordered the councilmembers who knew about it - some didn't - to not attend. Amir Omar only went because Gary Slagel and Chuck Eisemann GAVE him permission to go. He was THIER spy. But, you're right - he's definitely a "double agent". He'll tell you whatever you want to hear. What a fake and phony.

    We need to bring back the HONORABLE Dennis Stewart.

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  6. Destiny - honey, you do go way to easy on Amir Omar. Why? I know that you are a kind hearted gal, but this guy is just using you. And, I hear he tells others that he is (using you) behind your back. Of course, he won't admit this to YOU. Look at the patterns in his life, once he uses someone - get's what he needs - he moves on. You, too, will be one as well.

    Please wake up and see this guy for who he is.

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  7. Using me for what? All the stellar Muslim bashing that goes on on this blog?

    If anything, I'M using HIM so that I can draw in the wacky traffic here.

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  8. Amir Omar was not in attendence.

    Anon @12:02 is lying.

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  9. @Destiny - from what I can see, you are the only one playing the "muslim" card here. No one else has mentioned it - or even implied it.

    The fact that I find him fake, phony, and a carpetbagger has nothing to do with his faith. There are plenty of folks like him in this world; none so much in your face like Amir. I, personally, could care less where - or if - he worshipped.

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  10. Again, Amir Omar was not in attendence.

    Anon @12:02 is lying.

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  11. Well than you are unique Anon 12:41, please start signing your name or at least leave your initials next time so that I can differentiate you from the others, as to not make this mistake again.

    I read all of the comments posted on here, and no matter what I'm talking about, 9 times out of ten it's 6 degrees back to 'Amir Omar the Muslim carpet bagger.' So unfortunately, yes, I have begun generalizing, especially when you have buzz words in common.

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  12. Let's try to keep Mayor Slagel, Amir Omar and the rest of City Council and Staff out of this message thread.

    I did NOT see Amir Omar at the meeting.

    Who I did see were approx 20 individuals (HOA presidents, HOA representatives, a blogger who shows at most Richardson related meetings) who came to learn the latest about LOTS.

    There was discussion, all of it enlightening, including some back and forth about how best to make the LOTS discussion/negotiation with City Hall a "win-win" for City Hall and the citizens of Richardson.

    There continues to be an avalanche of facts, opinions, and options on the LOTS topic. That's understandable because, hey, it's not a simple thing! Moving the transfer station east or north? Screening walls, odor containment, number of trucks that make sense?

    Add in "volume" and the average citizen (and likely some on City Council) is close to information overload.

    John, George and Maitri tried their best and did a good job bringing the group up to date and keeping the complicated issue discussion pretty well on track.

    A mid-January meeting with City Hall (and the District?) is coming up. There might be other contacts with City Hall (letters, face to face discussion, etc.).

    Many in Richardson see this as an issue for the neighborhoods that border the LOTS. Not so! It's an entire-City issue. Only one reason (out of many reasons):

    If there is negative impact in that area because a poorly-thought-out Transfer Station is put in place, commercial development can take a hit. That can be significant because of the huge amount of to-be-developed land between Renner and The Bush.

    Trash trucks make a left turn at Renner and Plano Roads all day long - and if their number increases, and commercial development is impacted, tax dollars "go south".

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  13. Thank you Will! That was exactly what I was looking for!

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  14. Good points, Will. More Will. Less carpet-baggers.

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  15. Do people not really see what they read?
    I did not say omar was there. I was referring to others who normally side with the city on most matters. And who pretty much did so today. (Not meaning to be "adversarial", which you will understand if you were there.)
    Anon @12:02

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  16. Who are these most serious folks in your photo?

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  17. Which Anon @12:02 are you? There are two in this thread...

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  18. George Human (Sherrill Park) and John Wallberg (Owens Park)

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  19. I was at the meeting and it was a sober look at the situation and an attempt at finding a good alternative that all parties can stomach. Mr. Human and Mr. Wallberg discussed the City's current position - that a proposed new site would interfere with the nearby golf course and force diverting a creek - were questionable bargaining positions by City staff. Mr. Human is a civil engineer and spoke of the need to find a reasonable solution to the problem.

    Many HOA Presidents attended to show their concern about another neighborhood wrestling with a serious quality-of-life issue. Several west-side HOA Presidents were there, including Michael Tannery of JJ Pearce, Darrell Day of the Reservation, and Andrew Laska of Richardson Heights. Jay Dalehite of Canyon Creek could not attend, but sent a representative of the Canyon Creek HOA. Mr. Laska spoke of the benefit in negotiating with the City in a non-confrontational manner, but other speakers mentioned that Mayor Slagel had treated the Sherrill Park and Owens Park representatives rudely at a recent Council meeting.

    Former Councilman Dennis Stewart spoke of the need to negotiate in good faith and find a reasonable position that doesn't cost a tremendous amount of money more than current plans.

    Some of the HOA presidents spoke afterward of the value in gathering with their peers to share ideas and discuss issues that face all homeowners associations.

    All in all, a very positive meeting focused on Richardson quality-of-life issues.

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  20. What has not been mentioned in this post is the fact that city waste should be reduced in the future, not increased. With recycling of brush, recycling materials, and reduction in personal waste. This would reduce the bottom line of the district and be far too progressive for Richardson. What is wrong with asking NTMWD to be more current and plan TS in each community. It is called local sustainability. Richardson could be a leader in the district. We do not want the polluting TS next to parks, residential neighborhoods, watershed creeks, etc. Put it in an industrial area. Too much money and time for the distric...An the mayor has stated that he has no land in Richardson for it. He wants to develope every square inch for budget. As citizens, Richardson residents need to stand together against this railroading by the city and district. The district and city have been planning this for 8 years and now that the citizens are aware of their plans, they are pitting us against one another. It is sad. The nature trail and green belt by the telecom are the prettiest parks in Richardson.
    The developement of another TS will totally shock the area. There is plenty of land on the other side of central, near CC. If they were planning it for that area, people on the west side of the city would freak out. Lets stay together and look at the big picture here....It does not belong in a neighborhood, by parks.

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  21. Citizens are waking up and seeing the need to network, educate themselves and remind their elected officials and bureaucracy that the tail has been wagging the dog for too long. Knowledge is power. There is power in numbers. The sleeping giant is waking up and it is good to see people taking charge of their lives again and working in concert with their neighbors. I applaud these HOA members for reaching out to other HOA's and hope that citizens in Richardson will continue to work together and with the city to improve their quality of life.

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  22. This is a very important decision that will affect our city for the next 30 years. I hope the HOA's in other neighborhoods will rally the troops. I am personally impacted by the new TS. It is in my backyard. Construction near the creek over the past 10 years has increased the traffic to Lookout, directly affected the surrounding green spaces, and wildlife and the creek. I can tell you that putting a new transfer station in that location and increasing the capacity, will negatively affect the quality of life of over 800 houses, a very beautiful nature trail and park, and the health of the environment. A well organized, progressive city planning staff would see the environmental value of the 15 + acres and improve upon the parks and green space. Park improvements, planting trees, stocking the creek, putting in place protective rules for protecting the land will ultimately payoff by bringing more folks to Richardson, improving property values, etc. Why would you want to trash an area so close to dart, the Renaissance, the Eissman, and the beautiful area? It just doesnt make sense. Come on board all and lets work together to help them decide what is right for Richardson. There are so many other options. The city and district tried to pull one over on us and we now have the opportunity and the resources to change this.

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  23. PS. There will be a time when other neighborhoods call on us to help and we will be ready. These struggles unite us all.

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  24. Folks. This is a city issue. LOTS takes almost 100 percent of Richardson trash. The money goes to NTMWD for that trash. Richardson should be recycling and getting the money. Mulching the leaves and brush and selling back to the residence for our gardens and lawns and putting it around municipal areas. NTMWD should not be making money off of resources we can use. We should pay per pound for our disposable waste and the rest should stay here. Other cities should do the same. Plano is sending 60% of there commercial waste to LOTS and the district is making money off of it.
    It seems inequitable and inefficient.

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  25. If anonymous is not referring to Laska or the other anonymous bloggers in attendance, I must be "the" blogger who attended. I'm glad anonymous blogged about my motives, because I was lost wondering why I was there. Now I know, because anonymous told me so.

    The comment about "adversarial approach" came from a guy who claims to have polled many other HOA Prez's who, by his account, "wouldn't touch the LOTS issue with a ten-foot pole" because of their perception of the political climate. What a bunch of wanks!

    The informed one failed to recognize the divide and concur propaganda routine used whenever a contentious issue comes up for one neighborhood. Years ago Slagel's marauders went nuts when a group of HOA Prez's met for the first time out of earshot of any City Hall operatives. Murphy throws a fit like a spoiled child and won't talk to you if he's not invited. I know, because he did it to me about the time I started getting reports from my friends that he's been running his mouth telling people to stay away from me. If anyone thinks the same kind of thing isn't happening to the other HOA Prez's over the efforts of a few honest people trying to get the bandidos at City Hall to bargain in good faith with the citizens they are "servicing", you may not be smarter than a fifth grader. I'd lay money on it.

    This same well-known character insisted that the imaginary adversarial approach needed to stop and a plan to make the "City" a winner in the deal was what would get our public servants off the dime. The most amazing observation was the overwhelming perception that the Council had no testicles in the game. They were all sacked-up in the City Manager's skivvies. It was appalling to see the acquiescence to Keffler-rule instead of pressing the elected officials to act responsibly and get involved.

    I spoke to one issue, and that was how the Council denies their delegated project assignments to the staff are what every English dictionary defines as a committee. My point was that the Charter stipulates that committee meetings be open to the public and that public input must be accommodated during the meetings (novel thoughts for the composers of our local Constitution). I went on to say that, if these committee meetings were conducted in accordance with the intent of the City Charter (local law), many of the contentious issues will have been solved before the routine obscure Agenda reference, scant Work Session disclosure, and summary action taken in the Council meeting that follows. Dare I say that the obvious Council and staff familiarity with details of the issues stink of information passing secretly between the operatives in such a manner that no Council member concern ever falls upon the ears of the public attending the posted meetings? Does this say that private negotiations to resolve concerns of a quorum of Council members is more than likely being conducted by a certain individual who consistently leads the Council around by the nose-ring? You bet it does!

    If so, my fellow patriots, there is good cause for strict scrutiny of fish stories told at public meetings, because there can be no doubt that we have not been privy to the entire story, good or bad.

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  26. Oooh. such fiery language you use! Kinda HOT!

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  27. Guy Fiero, you've obviously been out in the sun a little too long. It's time you get back inside and drink some more koolaide.

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  28. At the meeting, Nathan Morgan did, in fact, state exactly what he says above: "... the Charter stipulates that committee meetings be open to the public and that public input must be accomodated during the meetings..." etc. My Readers Digest version of the meeting left that (and many other things) out. Thanks for adding that, Mr. Morgan.

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  29. Gary Slagel and Bill Keffler laugh behind these president's back; they have no respect for them, and simply pay "lip service" to their comments. You should hear the profane ways that Gary Slagel decribes them - he even recently called one HOA president an as*hole to his face. Who does this guy think he is?

    I hear that many of the presidents are aware of Slagel's bad behavior, and plan to continue meeting separately from monthly city-orchestrated "spin" meeting. Their goal is to get Slagel out becuase he is ruining this city.

    XXOO

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